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Now, maybe I understand what you mean 
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I think still u don't understand clearly... Sorry my fault my english is not ok like u...
i know forum people approximately but not completely so i can't answer for all people...
Only i can tell u about who i know...
You told me that Hüdaverdi invited me this forum so i thought that u know hüdaverdi as a man... i don't know, u know him or not...
İs that clear my dearly sister ?